andyany 发表于 2015-10-29 13:34:23

洋务运动和山寨工业

以前的国内近代史,有一块是“洋务运动”。洋务运动是中国工业的最早阶段,通过洋务运动,中国有了工业,不过大清还是完了。

改革开放后,假冒伪劣工业逐步发展,最新的叫法是山寨工业。山寨工业不是国内的全部,但对中国发展成为世界第二大经济体的贡献,感觉有相当大的比例。

有个说法是,山寨让中国得到了很大的利益,但中国只得到了馒头,怎么做馒头还是不知道。如果别人不做馒头了,中国还是会饿死。

大家怎么看?

老鹰 发表于 2015-10-29 13:48:30

有利有弊。不同阶段利弊不同。利在短期,弊在长期。

andyany 发表于 2015-10-29 14:05:54

老鹰 发表于 2015-10-29 13:48 static/image/common/back.gif
有利有弊。不同阶段利弊不同。利在短期,弊在长期。

教材对洋务运动的评价是,没有学习西方先进的政治制度,光学习技术是不行的。
联想到山寨工业,整个经营一是偷,二是瞎干,能搞好工业吗?

花弄影 发表于 2015-10-29 14:45:57

张之洞为了调和清廷统治阶级顽固派和改良派之间的矛盾,系统地总结了自己的洋务实践,把前辈的思想归纳为“中学为体,西学为用”这样一个口号。对照日本的明治维新,就能知道为何最后清王朝灭了,而日本却强大了。意识形态不改,只学工业技术,行不通的。
对照现在,难道真的比洋务运动高明多少?思想保守有过之而无不及。

wangqing1 发表于 2015-10-29 15:01:27

可别拿制造业侮辱馒头,馒头可是诸葛亮做的,人家可是中国有史以来的大发明家,如果木牛流马能传到今天,连大头爱因,可能都啥也不是

wangqing1 发表于 2015-10-29 15:52:55

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东东2012173 发表于 2015-10-29 16:11:21

山寨是学习的开始,每个阶段都要涌现一批为民族工业发展进步的实干家。
支持LZ,馒头另开贴

陀飞轮live 发表于 2015-11-2 16:52:15

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